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Earlier:
[personal profile] sebastienne: But yeah I thought v-pillows were an obscure pregnancy thing and here's one in Dunelm for £18
[personal profile] kaberett: They're increasingly marketed to "side-sleepers", who are apparently a demographic now
[personal profile] sebastienne: .... There's a sleeping style trinary
[personal profile] sebastienne: (ternary? trinity?)


Which is how I got to, well, this:
a gender tetrahedron

The image is a terrible MS Paint-style sketch, showing two objects.On the left is a tetrahedron, with the top vertex is labelled A; the bottom left is labelled NB; the bottom right is labelled F; the bottom front is labelled M. On the right is a triangle, similarly labelled: top left NB, top right F, bottom M.

The context is that I explained that a ternary diagram is something I use in geochemistry, and I get quite Catholic about trinities, so clearly trinary was the way to go.

... but wait, I said, now I want to draw a diagram of a triangle with the appropriately labelled vertices!!! obviously this has the perpetual problem of reducing gender to a component-based system but I'm still really amused by it!!!

The idea being, right, that at the base of the tetrahedron you've got a plane. If we (this is facetious) categorise any given gender as some combination of female, male, and non-binary, that can be represented as a coordinate in said plane. This is similar to how we represent the chemical composition of feldspars: you make a ternary diagram, with the vertices labelled as K2O/orthoclase & microcline (top), Na2O/albite (bottom left), and CaO/anorthite (bottom right), and you get a solid solution that hugs the left-hand border of your triangle: in this band, a stable mineral of that composition (with those proportions of potassium, sodium and calcium) exist, and outside it they don't and you instead get a mixture of different minerals. For bonus points, the solid solution is temperature-dependent: at "low" temperatures (less than about 700°C), there's a gap between albite and K-spars (orthoclase and microcline) where there's no single stable mineral and you again end up with a mixture of different minerals. (They're very pretty under the microscope!)

And then sometimes you actually want a fourth vertex, so instead of sticking to a 2D representation you shift to 3D, and a tetrahedron, and this is mostly deployed for what's called CMAS in geochemistry terms, but the point is that A Single Plane might not be enough to represent what's going on; you might want vertical distance too.

ENTER THE GENDER TETRAHEDRON.

I propose (still facetiously) a model in which we've got the base plane of female-male-nonbinary, along with another component, agender. The closer to any vertex your gender experience lies, the more dominant the influence of that vertex. So, for example, you might be up near the agender vertex, with only weak influences from everything else; or you might be on the agender-female edge; or you might be on what's thought of as the "traditional gender spectrum", the male-female edge. Or if you're genderfluid but definitely experience gender you might lie somewhere on the M-F-NB face on any given day, or perhaps your gender amplitude fluctuates but you're definitely never a man, and you wander around the A-F-NB face.

Or maybe you occupy some other plane through this gendered space! Maybe your gender is temperature-dependent! We can take different slices through the tetrahedron at different heights, such that the total gender area corresponds to the total gender strength!

This is thoroughly silly and absolutely not intended to be A Complete Theory Of Anything, but it was an excuse to combine (1) geochemical representations of the world, (2) nerding about gender, and (3) dubious art, so, you know, that's been a very pleasant diversion for me this afternoon.

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Date: 2019-09-18 10:30 pm (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
*deeply amused*

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Date: 2019-09-18 10:40 pm (UTC)
redsixwing: A red knotwork emblem. (Default)
From: [personal profile] redsixwing
"...such that the total gender area corresponds to the total gender strength!"

PFFFFT

It is silly of me to try and find my coordinates somewhere in there and twice as silly to try and find an opposing vertex for A, perhaps to be labeled pangender.

I have mathematical feelings about these shapes

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Date: 2019-09-18 10:45 pm (UTC)
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*gigglesnort*

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Date: 2019-09-18 10:48 pm (UTC)
sebastienne: My default icon: I'm a fat white person with short dark hair, looking over my glasses. (Default)
From: [personal profile] sebastienne
I am snuggled up in my v-pillow right now chortling about this post.

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Date: 2019-09-18 10:56 pm (UTC)
recessional: a photo image of feet in sparkly red shoes (Default)
From: [personal profile] recessional
This mostly reminds me that I need to do that post about how one of the Hidden Almanac episodes posited a culture where pronouns were not based on any kind of sexually dimorphic range but rather on life-stage and how much that speaks to my soul, combined with realizing a thing about the "try and say femme is just for lesbians again I DARE YOU" events of the summer. /is coherent, really

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Date: 2019-09-18 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cosmolinguist
Hello from atop the agender peak! I love this idea so much.

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Date: 2019-09-18 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cosmolinguist
I have seen, like, pride-flag-colored dice and now I want an agender-colored d4 to wear on a string and use to illustrate this concept. :)

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Date: 2019-09-18 11:18 pm (UTC)
ghoti: fish jumping out of bowl (Default)
From: [personal profile] ghoti
despite the silly, is definitely a helpful explanation to have in ones pocket for explaining people who are still coming around to the idea of 'more than 2 genders'

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Date: 2019-09-18 11:24 pm (UTC)
fyreharper: (Default)
From: [personal profile] fyreharper
:D

I do have a particular fondness for d4s :)

:starfishes self into the middle(ish) somewhere and swims around:

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Date: 2019-09-18 11:29 pm (UTC)
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)
From: [personal profile] azurelunatic
*glee from somewhere near the top of the femme-nb face*

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Date: 2019-09-18 11:45 pm (UTC)
batrachian: (Flower Frog)
From: [personal profile] batrachian
Fuck, I have no idea where I land in this model (at least not without serious more brain than can devote on the way to thing) but the MODEL.

Instant headcanon, hits all the good feels and is also Correct. So.

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Date: 2019-09-19 01:23 am (UTC)
silveradept: A kodama with a trombone. The trombone is playing music, even though it is held in a rest position (Default)
From: [personal profile] silveradept
More models is not bad, even the facetious ones.

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Date: 2019-09-19 03:19 am (UTC)
steorra: Detail from the picture Convex and Concave by Escher (escher)
From: [personal profile] steorra
Facetious
It has facets.
Edited (Userpic) Date: 2019-09-19 03:20 am (UTC)

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Date: 2019-09-19 08:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fyreharper
:D :D

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Date: 2019-09-19 07:45 am (UTC)
divulge: (Default)
From: [personal profile] divulge
I love this! <3

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Date: 2019-09-19 08:31 am (UTC)
fyreharper: (Default)
From: [personal profile] fyreharper
Also tbh this is pretty similar to how I already tended to map out gender-spectrum Many Axis funtimes, just more equilateral. Suspect this shape actually makes more sense...

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Date: 2019-09-19 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ewt
*nodnod*

More models good.

I think I have seen something similar (but not mapped as a prism) for sexuality -- it used (I think?) some version of the Kinsey scale, and incorporated the idea that people may not be desperately *fussed* about any of it using, I think, lighter shades. I found it helpful in terms of affirming that bisexual-but-not-really-that-fussed-about-sexuality-as-part-of-my-identity is still, well, queer.

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Date: 2019-09-19 10:41 am (UTC)
liv: Composite image of Han Solo and Princess Leia, labelled Hen Solo (gender)
From: [personal profile] liv
Yeah, I was going to say, because I'm a biologist and I think in heat-maps, I like the extra dimension mapped to colour rather than height. This is the gender paint chart I find fits in my brain better than the tetrahedron. But similar idea, and it would work perfectly well for sexual orientation too.

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Date: 2019-09-19 11:22 am (UTC)
katzenfabrik: A black-and-white icon of a giant cat inside a factory building. The cat's tail comes out of the factory chimney. (Default)
From: [personal profile] katzenfabrik
Phase diagrams and gender: I am here for this \o/

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Date: 2019-09-19 11:40 am (UTC)
lnr: Halloween 2023 (Default)
From: [personal profile] lnr
I love everything about your post and its comments. Thank you!

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Date: 2019-09-19 03:19 pm (UTC)
jedusor: (neuron art)
From: [personal profile] jedusor
this is very similar to the diagram I use to represent my gender!

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Date: 2019-09-19 07:03 pm (UTC)
cynthia1960: cartoon of me with gray hair wearing glasses (Default)
From: [personal profile] cynthia1960
This is awesome, and my mind just went back to my inorganic chem class where linear algebra and group theory interacted with the vibrational spectra of molecules. Now you have me thinking about that and your gender tetrahedron.

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Date: 2019-09-20 04:15 am (UTC)
booksarelife: Tilted photo of Peggy Carter's head, shoulders and torso, where she is wearing a navy dress with two red stripes across the middle (Default)
From: [personal profile] booksarelife
I am (as far as I know) very much cis female, but I enjoyed this very much!! (And I really like it as a way to explain things)

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Date: 2019-09-20 09:00 am (UTC)
vass: Small turtle with green leaf in its mouth (Default)
From: [personal profile] vass
This is neat. I don't think it meshes well with how I personally experience/relate to my own gender, but it is fun to play with and tilt back and forth one's hands.

Do you remember when Raphael Carter proposed the Necker cube as a symbol of androgyny? Zir site's long gone, and the archived version I could find only has a briefer explanation than I remember, but I did at least find zir page about toilet signs, which I found very inspirational when I was 21 and struggling with how to protest the fact that the 24 hour computer lab at uni had only two toilets, one for abled men and one for anyone not an abled man, and the latter was not being cleaned adequately.

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Date: 2019-09-20 12:16 pm (UTC)
kht: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kht
This makes perfect sense to me.

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