Unless I've missed something we can't register to vote in Ireland without an Irish address. I also don't think it's possible to apply for an EHIC from Ireland without an Irish residential addresss. Lots of admin is based on having a PSN (like a combined NI/NHS no) that you can't apply for unless you need one i.e. You're working there/living there and trying to claim for assistance with health care. Would love to be wrong about all of this! Got my Irish passport late last year.
Indeed - you have to be resident in the State (or have left less than 18 months ago, hence the "home to vote" campaign for same-sex marriage) in order to vote in referendums.
(The Constitutional Convention recommended extending the franchise for electing the President to overseas citizens, and Kenny's government said they were going to put that to a referendum. I don't think that's yet proposed to cover the franchise for Dáil elections or referendums, though.)
I am well aware that I have a lot of Basic Civic Duty to educate myself on (& I have nearly finished the Duolingo Turkish tree, at which point I'm going to pitch in on Gaelic), and I am very grateful for patience in having explanations provided to me.
I'm not massively far ahead in terms of basic civic duty; I'm just a bit of a constitutional nerd. :-) (Being born in Northern Ireland reduced the paperwork to "apply for passport", but I haven't so far actually lived in the Republic. Following a clutch of random Irish speakers on Twitter has been helping a bit, although it turns out that having finished the Duolingo Irish course is not quite enough to understand them easily, what a shock.)
In the first instance, the moment I've finished the Duolingo Turkish tree (probably before the end of the calendar year!) I'm going to be starting the Gaelic one, which is... not what I was intending to do next (Brythonic Celtic and Russian were pretty high up the list; Swedish also features), but hey: language-learning, eh?
I'm impressed that you've gotten that far with Turkish. Do you have people to practice with, or is it all on Duolingo?
Irish Duolingo is pretty fun. The course materials themselves are kind of thin, but there are some really dedicated users who haunt the forums explaining things to confused learners.
My local area has a significant Turkish population, so I hear it spoken on the bus/in shops, and the largest non-English section in the local library is Turkish. Turkish books just get put out in the New Books section without any demarcation so I get to practice just by reading the covers! The partial "immersion" -- having it just Happen around me -- is super helpful for hindbrain believing-that-words-are-words. In addition to that, I've a friend who's just completed their PhD on Turkish and who talks to me about it semi-regularly (this being the friend who badgered me into visiting Istanbul in the first place), and A's dad & stepmum live in Turkey. I've only visited them once so far and they are suuuuuuuuper ex-pat Anglo-bubble-y, but the upside is that if we visit them I insist on getting to spend a weekend in Istanbul looking at modern art and eating food, so! A. has basically no Turkish, I end up doing a lot of the talking; A Thing about Istanbul is that it is not unusual to end up in situations where "bad Turkish" is the only language I have in common with whoever I'm talking to, or "the best bet is a combination of bad Turkish and bad English".
Which is a long answer! But basically: less practice than ideal, plenty enough for me to be noticing actual real-world progress (in terms of the amount of talking-to-small-children I parse primarily as Automatically Comprehensible Language and only secondarily as Turkic Language Family).
Re Gaelic: yeah, I end up reading the forums various a fair bit; I'm intending to trade at least some on it being the sixth language I've done non-trivial formal study on & being fundamentally Indo-European, both of which mean that "slightly dubious teaching materials" is probably adequate for my purposes, at least initially!
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Date: 2017-09-30 01:31 pm (UTC)Indeed - you have to be resident in the State (or have left less than 18 months ago, hence the "home to vote" campaign for same-sex marriage) in order to vote in referendums.
(The Constitutional Convention recommended extending the franchise for electing the President to overseas citizens, and Kenny's government said they were going to put that to a referendum. I don't think that's yet proposed to cover the franchise for Dáil elections or referendums, though.)
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Date: 2017-10-05 09:14 am (UTC)I am well aware that I have a lot of Basic Civic Duty to educate myself on (& I have nearly finished the Duolingo Turkish tree, at which point I'm going to pitch in on Gaelic), and I am very grateful for patience in having explanations provided to me.
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Date: 2017-10-05 09:16 am (UTC)In the first instance, the moment I've finished the Duolingo Turkish tree (probably before the end of the calendar year!) I'm going to be starting the Gaelic one, which is... not what I was intending to do next (Brythonic Celtic and Russian were pretty high up the list; Swedish also features), but hey: language-learning, eh?
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Date: 2017-10-05 04:07 pm (UTC)Irish Duolingo is pretty fun. The course materials themselves are kind of thin, but there are some really dedicated users who haunt the forums explaining things to confused learners.
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Date: 2017-10-05 05:05 pm (UTC)My local area has a significant Turkish population, so I hear it spoken on the bus/in shops, and the largest non-English section in the local library is Turkish. Turkish books just get put out in the New Books section without any demarcation so I get to practice just by reading the covers! The partial "immersion" -- having it just Happen around me -- is super helpful for hindbrain believing-that-words-are-words. In addition to that, I've a friend who's just completed their PhD on Turkish and who talks to me about it semi-regularly (this being the friend who badgered me into visiting Istanbul in the first place), and A's dad & stepmum live in Turkey. I've only visited them once so far and they are suuuuuuuuper ex-pat Anglo-bubble-y, but the upside is that if we visit them I insist on getting to spend a weekend in Istanbul looking at modern art and eating food, so! A. has basically no Turkish, I end up doing a lot of the talking; A Thing about Istanbul is that it is not unusual to end up in situations where "bad Turkish" is the only language I have in common with whoever I'm talking to, or "the best bet is a combination of bad Turkish and bad English".
Which is a long answer! But basically: less practice than ideal, plenty enough for me to be noticing actual real-world progress (in terms of the amount of talking-to-small-children I parse primarily as Automatically Comprehensible Language and only secondarily as Turkic Language Family).
Re Gaelic: yeah, I end up reading the forums various a fair bit; I'm intending to trade at least some on it being the sixth language I've done non-trivial formal study on & being fundamentally Indo-European, both of which mean that "slightly dubious teaching materials" is probably adequate for my purposes, at least initially!
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