one ends up on a train with one's programmer partner, the both of you dressed in pinstripes, very earnestly attempting to convince aforementioned partner that coding is a creative endeavour
If I've read this sentence the wrong way round then I'll look very silly, but ... your programmer partner is unconvinced that coding is creative? That certainly surprises me. I've felt strongly that coding is creative since middling childhood (in defiance of all those people trying to tell me that "creative" meant "artistic"); I remember insisting on it to my French teacher at secondary school. (I don't recall why we were discussing it in the first place.) I'd have expected a coder to be the last person who needed convincing of that. Shows what I know.
I'd have to suppose the view that science-shaped stuff is fundamentally uncreative must come from the idea that it's 'just discovering' – a novel or a sonnet or a painting had no prior existence before its creator put implement to paper, but all the facts discovered by scientists were already true and it's just a question of finding them and documenting them. And I can't really blame people for seeing it that way; I'd at least have to agree that the ways in which science is creative are more subtle than the ways in which art is.
I think it is about bravery, and trust in oneself, and willingness to take risks in the knowledge that one will be resilient if they do not work as hoped
Yes, well put! There's some resonance there with the thing I wrote on your previous post (in that one of the things I mean by 'creativity' includes confidence to choose a starting approach and be able to cope if it's not quite right). Also this very old entry of mine seems relevant to 'take a risk and be prepared to deal with failure' (and might also amuse you because it goes off on a long sidetrack about me being really not very good at Net :-).
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Date: 2013-12-24 10:51 am (UTC)If I've read this sentence the wrong way round then I'll look very silly, but ... your programmer partner is unconvinced that coding is creative? That certainly surprises me. I've felt strongly that coding is creative since middling childhood (in defiance of all those people trying to tell me that "creative" meant "artistic"); I remember insisting on it to my French teacher at secondary school. (I don't recall why we were discussing it in the first place.) I'd have expected a coder to be the last person who needed convincing of that. Shows what I know.
I'd have to suppose the view that science-shaped stuff is fundamentally uncreative must come from the idea that it's 'just discovering' – a novel or a sonnet or a painting had no prior existence before its creator put implement to paper, but all the facts discovered by scientists were already true and it's just a question of finding them and documenting them. And I can't really blame people for seeing it that way; I'd at least have to agree that the ways in which science is creative are more subtle than the ways in which art is.
I think it is about bravery, and trust in oneself, and willingness to take risks in the knowledge that one will be resilient if they do not work as hoped
Yes, well put! There's some resonance there with the thing I wrote on your previous post (in that one of the things I mean by 'creativity' includes confidence to choose a starting approach and be able to cope if it's not quite right). Also this very old entry of mine seems relevant to 'take a risk and be prepared to deal with failure' (and might also amuse you because it goes off on a long sidetrack about me being really not very good at Net :-).