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kaberett ([personal profile] kaberett) wrote2018-09-03 12:04 am

One day you finally knew

My immediate reaction to Captain Awkward #1141 was "-- SWEETHEART do I EVER have some advice for you --"

... and I'd already composed half a reply in my head, and then got to the bottom and found comments were, entirely understandably, turned off.

So: kiddo. Kiddo. (Is it obvious I'm addressing myself?) When you say:
I had a pretty terrible childhood and for my mental health am not in contact with either of my parents anymore, so I keep worrying that maybe this is all a by-product of not being taught how to human correctly and there’s just something deeply and fundamentally wrong with me that is causing me to take a great relationship and fuck it all up.

... I'm pretty confident in stating that what's actually going on, in as close to 100% of cases as makes no odds, is that while having a shitty childhood does indeed impair your ability to judge whether the relationship you're in is great, it does so in his favour.

The issue isn't that you're being too demanding of him; the issue is that you're not being demanding enough. It's less bad than your childhood, so it's substantially expanded your horizons to Better Than You Could Imagine...

... but it's still, fundamentally, shitty -- but the problem is your shitty childhood severely impairs your ability to imagine anything better, and your ability to believe that anything better exists and that you deserve it.

So you blame yourself, because you know how to do that, and it helps you feel like you're in control and you can make it better, and even when it's a lie that helps you to survive.

So, darling, no: your deep yawning sense that something is wrong, very badly wrong, is bang on. The fact that you default to assuming that whatever's wrong is you is... not. This is not you fucking up something great. It's the beginnings of the whisper that'll guide you to saving the only life you can save -- to getting free.

[personal profile] cosmolinguist 2018-09-03 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
<3
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[personal profile] recessional 2018-09-03 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Yes.
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[personal profile] chiasmata 2018-09-03 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
❤️❤️❤️
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[personal profile] rmc28 2018-09-03 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
Yes 💙
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[personal profile] staranise 2018-09-03 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
Yeeees. ♥
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[personal profile] sebenikela 2018-09-03 11:33 am (UTC)(link)
This is true. And really hard. <3

[personal profile] cosmolinguist 2018-09-03 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
For what it's worth, your comment here has been really useful to me in unexpected ways.
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[personal profile] recessional 2018-09-03 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
It was kind of fascinating how the letter itself sort of mirrored the gaslighting she more or less lives in - like the non-detailed summary, the initial layout, totally reads as "ah okay spouse has some cluster-B damage and there are definitely ways to address - " . . . and then you keep reading!

And then it's like . . . bb that's not 95%/5%. It really isn't. That's "this person is actually controlling and abusive all the time, and maybe 95% of the time you manage to live in a way that doesn't bump up against that, and also get out."

But yeah I wouldn't take comments on that one either. By the end of the letter that situation description is well into "also once you've left him do not agree to meet him alone anywhere, ever, for any reason" territory, but there'd inevitably be someone who . . . tried to argue with it.
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[personal profile] rmc28 2018-09-03 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god yes, as it goes on and you're like "in what world is this only '5% bad'?!". With increasing numbers of !! as I kept reading.
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[personal profile] chiasmata 2018-09-03 08:27 am (UTC)(link)
That’s exactly what I did!
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[personal profile] alatefeline 2018-09-03 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
<3
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[personal profile] damerell 2018-09-03 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
When I had half-composed my comment after reading that one it was rather shorter, consisting of the letters "DTM".
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[personal profile] emperor 2018-09-03 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I was thinking DTMFA by about 1/3 way down the post...
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[personal profile] damerell 2018-09-03 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yeah, one goes to Captain Awkward for sensible mature advice and to Dan Savage to have one's internalised decision to DTMFA approved. (And, yes, for extremely odd kinks and the occasional faux pas...)

I think I am just more of a Dan than a Captain.
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[personal profile] flippac 2018-09-03 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
It took slightly longer than I'd like for it to stop reminding me of an ex I won't name Because Public Post, but... yeah.

I do wish the OP had been aware of the statistic about couples' counselling amplifying power imbalances and exacerbating abuse before it was pointed out that this was happening here. It's worryingly reliable, and tbh someone not having damn good reasons for doing their part of the work once told it's necessary is as big a red flag as any I can think of that don't involve hospital.

Edit to add: Oh god, point 10. I wish it was safe to rely on what medical professionals say about what can be noticed during "sex", but it isn't and while this isn't me, how did I get good at opsec in the first place?...
Edited 2018-09-03 11:22 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sebenikela 2018-09-03 11:43 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, other than the "married" part (thank god(s)) and some of the specifics, I could have written that letter 6 years ago (or 10 or 12 or...)

Damn.
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[personal profile] sebenikela 2018-09-03 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
ME TOO <3

it took 'i got accepted to a great phd program and it's on a different continent,' but I left.

(...I am jerkbrain-obligated to note that a lot of those years we were long-distance but hey brain that still counts)
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[personal profile] silveradept 2018-09-03 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I also have much to say for the letter writer there, for reasons you understand very well. Less on the matter of the childhood, but yes, I can see why no comments and I can see what's going to have to happen.
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[personal profile] lunabee34 2018-09-04 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
That letter made me so sad. It kept getting worse and worse as it went on. :(
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[personal profile] aldabra 2018-09-04 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
This is such a useful comment of yours that I keep leaving it open in a tab because I haven't got anything useful enough to say back to it. Thank you.