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kaberett ([personal profile] kaberett) wrote2015-08-13 04:40 pm

An articulation about terminology

I react to being described as "in" a wheelchair (as opposed to using a wheelchair) by snarling, and I've just (in response to a Sociological Images article The NYC subway to a person in a wheelchair) worked out some more of the why.

There's part the first, which is that it's inherently passive terminology that obfuscates or elides my agency. But the thing I've just noticed, the actual big deal, is that it makes it sound as though me being in a wheelchair is a permanent and unalterable state, and that in turn contributes to the idea that if I can stand or walk at all I shouldn't be using one, and that by using one I'm faking -- in a wheelchair precludes the possibility of being out of it. I'm pretty sure this framing contributes directly to strangers' horror if I stand up to reach something on a high shelf in a supermarket, or get up to carry my chair down a flight of stairs rather than taking a sloped half-mile detour, or what have you.

(There's other issues - who's surprised? - with that SocImages article, including the part where actually level and step-free access is important to all sorts of people. It's genuinely very important not to conflate "accessible" with "level access", or to conflate "level access" with "wheelchair accessible"; the former erases a very great many disabilities, and the latter assumes that all you need is flat surfaces and doesn't stop to think about whether aisles are wide enough or there's space set aside for wheelchair users to sit, or what have you. ... but there we go.)
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[personal profile] jesse_the_k 2015-08-13 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I entirely agree with this post, and am also known to explain wheelchair mechanics and power choices to total strangers (people with grease under fingernails are preferred, but even nosy older folk with nasty perfumes will get my attention if they need to know for a family member).
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[personal profile] hilarita 2015-08-14 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Well, it *is* cool tech. And really, it should be like glasses. Which are absolutely fucking fundamental to functioning in this society, and not e.g. getting run over, but they can look pretty or stylish or whatever as well as being awesome assitive technology.
People are such arseholes about this - there's assitive technology that's "normal" and then there's the other sort. The sort you're "in" or "confined in" rather than "using". But the purpose of the technology is *exactly the same*. There seems a massive category mismatch here.

[personal profile] cosmolinguist 2015-08-13 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep, I'm a person who benefits from step-free access for totally different accessibility reasons: steps are hazards for people with no depth perception! Eveb with my cane (and new skills in navigating stairs!), I'll totally choose ramps or lifts over stairs or escalators.
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[personal profile] rootsofthestories 2015-08-13 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
*joins the pile of 'what is depth perception' and 'oh thank god, I might not kill myself on this ramp'.*

[personal profile] cosmolinguist 2015-08-13 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I bet depth perception isn't even real, it's just a big conspiracy to make us think so. :)
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[personal profile] rootsofthestories 2015-08-13 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)

This is very clearly the answer and no one will convince me otherwise.

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[personal profile] untonuggan 2015-08-13 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
yes and also "oh gods my hips are not working today, let's see how I can minimize using them oh thank god a ramp option!"
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[personal profile] rootsofthestories 2015-08-13 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)

And a little of the 'Oh gee, I don't think I am going up and down due to knees/back. Thank god this ramp is here so my knees don't have to bend as much."

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[personal profile] untonuggan 2015-08-13 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
what I really want is some sort of service that will give me a route map letting me know the most accessible routes, or the common pitfalls.

like, "hi, i would like to go to this bus stop. but if I do that, will I then get stuck with an out of spoon error because there are no curb cuts and a fuck ton of stairs?"

i nearly cried with excitement at a couple places on the West Coast where not only were accessible ramps labeled, they actually labeled which ones had a grade that was too steep for safe use *and* labeled safe detour routes.

srsly, a big part (for me) of accessibility is wasted spoons of "plotting route ahead of time" or "crap my plans changed and now I am using precious energy trying to find a way that will conserve my energy."
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[personal profile] untonuggan 2015-08-13 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
oh wow

wow wow wow

ok now i know what to get next time I'm in London.
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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2015-08-13 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
an amusing anecdote that I always think of when someone says "in a wheelchair" that takes me from the "I HATE THAT I HATE YOU I HATE EVERYTHING" spiral into "tee hee" land, if that might help you or even just provide temporary amusement:

There was this moment at my career-job when my boss was attempting to fix an ornery wheelchair. By ornery, I mean this particular chair had some kind of demon possession or something because any time you would fix one thing, someone else would immediately break, and it would be something that could in no way be related to the thing that you were just working on. So I had popped the tire back on and then tightened the suddenly-loose brake (on the OTHER side from the tire I was originally doing) but then the first brake just fell off. Like, fell off, and looking at it on the floor, nobody could understand how it fell off because it was still in one piece, including the part where it attaches to the frame of the chair? so baffling.
anyway so I passed it off to my boss, who is more skilled at chair-maintenance than I am, and she was trying to put that brake back on when a front wheel disconnected itself (seriously, this chair, I don't even know) and then the OTHER brake fell off, but the facility refused to just buy us another chair, so we're stuck trying to fix this horrid thing. So because of parts falling off and a complete lack of brakes at this point, my boss stepped into the little gap between the seat and the back to hold the damn chair still while she tried to reattach these mystery brakes etc. So every time someone says "in a wheelchair" I just picture my boss, extremely frustrated with accompanying frustrated-poofy-hair and yelling almost inarticulately about calling for a priest to exorcise the chair whilst standing literally inside a wheelchair.

and that mental image derails my hate-spiral 90% of the time, which is healthier for me and often makes actually engaging in discussion (should I choose to do so) about a thousand times easier to tolerate. and even if I don't choose to do so, it turns my irrationally spiraling hatred into a quiet little giggle about my boss and that evil, evil chair, which cheers me up.
(though if i'm just regular frustrated with people and words, it doesn't help me at all. only when i'm hate-spiraling. which is interesting i suppose but anyway.)

I hope you enjoyed this tale. I wish I could take a picture from my memory and send it to you so you could really appropriately appreciate the mental image I get.
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[personal profile] jesse_the_k 2015-08-13 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I am promptly stealing this memory & story to insert into my "brain care emergency kit," always useful when leaving the house.
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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2015-08-13 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)

Quite welcome! Glad to be of assistance :D

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[personal profile] pipisafoat 2015-08-13 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)

yay! to both of those! omg I’m excited. I had forgotten about that but now I’m really excited.

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[personal profile] davidgillon 2015-08-13 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Reduced to helpless meeping...

[personal profile] cosmolinguist 2015-08-13 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I love this story.

(And I wish being able to take pictures of memories was a thing, too! But you did a good job of giving us the details to paint pictures in our own minds. :) )
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2015-08-13 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Grr, 2nd time of writing, lost the first version to an unintentional dyspraxic finger swipe...

I think I agree on that nuanced understanding of 'user' versus 'in', particularly important given current hostility towards those of us perceived as 'scroungers' on account of our disability.

WRT 'level access', remember cobbles are technically level!

And absolutely on conflating 'accessible' with 'level' with 'wheelchair accessible'. Some of the worst access issues for me on crutches were on level ground that was supposedly accesss friendly - airports, stations etc. A flat surface may be easy to wheel across, but if you've got to get from one side of a huge terminal to the other in not a lot of time, then it isn't ideal if you have problems with distance and speed. I genuinely found rough terrain on a hill side more accessible than airports.

Of course now I get to see all of that from the opposite perspective!

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[personal profile] hilarita 2015-08-14 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Also they tend to make airport floors out of shiny gripless stuff, so there's always this feeling that you're about to exceed some friction limit and go flying off into the sunset no matter what your form of transport.
But then I think airports deserve some special prize for appearing friendly, awesome places whence you can go to other friendly, awesome places, but in fact they are possessed with demons. Even if you go in to an airport without some kind of problem, you will be attacked by the minor demons of airport security, misdirection and oh fuck where's the fucking gate. If you do have a disability, then you can also summon the major demons of Allergy to Perfume, What Do You Mean You Booked Assistance and HaHaHa What Do You Mean You Actually Wanted To Get To Your Gate Without Having A Panic Attack. All those nice, wide, open, flat spaces are just there to lull you into a false sense of security.
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2015-08-14 09:19 am (UTC)(link)
Ha, this! Not to mention We Had Two Hours To Tell You Your Gate, So We'll Do It Five Minutes Before Final Call With Everyone Ten Minutes Walk Away....

(Anonymous) 2015-09-03 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
had this discussion whilst going down the post passport control ramp at heathrow terminal three, thankfully was being pushed (and I have breaks on my handles), my hands are thankful for the blisters I don't have.
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Linguistic tangent

[personal profile] 403 2015-08-14 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
I take issue with describing someone as a "wheelchair user". We call people who drive "drivers", not "car users", and people who bicycle "cyclists", not "bicycle users". The only other place I'm aware of in (at least American) English where we call someone an 'X user'? "Drug users". (That said, I can't help but speculate about what a street drug called 'wheelchair' would do...)

So I try to use the phrase "wheelchair rider", in the same vein as "motorcycle/horseback rider", in hopes that it will catch on.
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Re: Linguistic tangent

[personal profile] vass 2015-08-14 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Computer users. Tool users. (Also, there is literally a bicycle club in my state called the Bicycle Users Group.)
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Re: Linguistic tangent

[personal profile] 403 2015-08-19 03:38 pm (UTC)(link)
*chews on this*
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[personal profile] cxcvi 2015-08-15 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like you're likening "in a wheelchair" to "wheelchair-bound". Except with less rope.

Will work on this language thinking, a bit. It makes sense.

Also, slightly sideways slopes. Like... most pavements around here. Almost certainly wheelchair accessible, but hardly "level access". Also bloody uncomfortable. Am understanding now why this makes getting to and from the bus stop so unpleasant.
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[personal profile] silveradept 2015-08-16 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
I think some of that framing (in a wheelchair) is that, at least here in the States, we tend to hit the idea that disability is temporary and fixable a lot harder, and so the narrative believes that you don't tell people that they're disabled and going to stay that way, and if someone tells you that, you smile and express hope, however unlikely, for the end of the disability.

Work is discussing plans for new customer service points, and the most likely design will have the required ADA desk, but around the corner from the first visible desks, and I think I know why that's felt vaguely Not Quite Right, finally.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-03 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
I hate the phrase "in a wheelchair" but had never examined why people use it or what it and alternative mean. I can stand, I can walk, though I can't lift or fold my chair. I was quite surprised at airport security recently to be asked if I could stand up and walk, it's always been assumed that I couldn't. At this point my shoes were already off and heading to the scanner, so I said it would be too hard, I only now realise that I'd never have managed the standing still in the fancy new fangled scanner things they have shoes or not.