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kaberett ([personal profile] kaberett) wrote2014-09-16 12:04 am

Politics of pronouns in the Imperial Radch

(Not sure what's going on here? The answer is Ancillary Justice.)

We're told that Radchaai does not bother with gendered pronouns. It seems to me that the default pronoun used means gender-irrelevant (rather than gender-unknown or gender-specific, which seem to me to be a useful way of considering pronouns of gendered beings). We're told that Strigan's society uses gender-known pronouns even though it professes to consider gender irrelevant.

And yet: the Radchaai frequently refer to ships as "it" (I note that the standard English pronoun used to refer to vessels is the same as the way in which the Radchaai default pronoun is rendered). It's clearly not as simple as in/animate - ships have emotions, ships have personality and identity, ships are sentient, ships have ancillaries. Except that this is done in a literally dehumanising way - ships are explicitly not Radchaai, not citizens, and therefore not considered human; characters who are uninterested in or unsympathetic toward ships are far more likely to refer to them as "it", whereas characters who like ships seem to mostly not pronoun them; non-Radchaai humans are generally called the standard pronoun for Radchaai, despite being considered by at least some in the society to have sub-human status - and so I am left picking away at what distinction it is the Radch is making here...

Thoughts very much appreciated!
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[personal profile] jack 2014-09-16 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm still pretty convinced that AM is an AI who seized core Radch space out of some sort of drive to protect some specific humans (a particularly favoured captain and her family?)

Oh, oh, oh. That does make so much sense...
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[personal profile] jack 2014-09-16 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, yes. That makes more and more sense.

I always hope examining a book closely will make things clearer, but have also seen too many first-books-in-series where inconsistencies turn out to be "author didn't think of that" not "interesting clue to the underlying world". So I'm always too cynical at first, even when it turns out there IS a really convincing interpretation which I didn't see immediately.
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[personal profile] jack 2014-09-17 10:47 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you, I really love trying to work things like this out with someone else.