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kaberett ([personal profile] kaberett) wrote2014-09-16 12:04 am

Politics of pronouns in the Imperial Radch

(Not sure what's going on here? The answer is Ancillary Justice.)

We're told that Radchaai does not bother with gendered pronouns. It seems to me that the default pronoun used means gender-irrelevant (rather than gender-unknown or gender-specific, which seem to me to be a useful way of considering pronouns of gendered beings). We're told that Strigan's society uses gender-known pronouns even though it professes to consider gender irrelevant.

And yet: the Radchaai frequently refer to ships as "it" (I note that the standard English pronoun used to refer to vessels is the same as the way in which the Radchaai default pronoun is rendered). It's clearly not as simple as in/animate - ships have emotions, ships have personality and identity, ships are sentient, ships have ancillaries. Except that this is done in a literally dehumanising way - ships are explicitly not Radchaai, not citizens, and therefore not considered human; characters who are uninterested in or unsympathetic toward ships are far more likely to refer to them as "it", whereas characters who like ships seem to mostly not pronoun them; non-Radchaai humans are generally called the standard pronoun for Radchaai, despite being considered by at least some in the society to have sub-human status - and so I am left picking away at what distinction it is the Radch is making here...

Thoughts very much appreciated!
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[personal profile] geekosaur 2014-09-16 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Hrm. I personally find myself trying to gender people "because it's societally correct as I was raised" (and am now trying to train myself out of this leftover from the 4th grade "oh shit" moment when I suddenly realized how much was going on around me that I had no clue about) --- but at the same time, insofar as it's a social / societal construct to some extent, I end up using a lot of rules of thumb. (And often getting reminded the hard way that the most appropriate "rule of thumb" in this case is that I'm prone to hit it with a hammer....)
Edited 2014-09-16 23:27 (UTC)
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2014-09-17 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
This!