kaberett: Trans symbol with Swiss Army knife tools at other positions around the central circle. (Default)
[personal profile] kaberett
with all the usual caveats about how noisy crowds + not being able to easily move away from people smoking &c all sounds utterly miserable and like it will wreck me for days and possibly weeks--

-- which means that I probably want a sign that reads something to the tune of "Leaving the house was a bad idea. Leaving the EU would be worse." Right? Should I be making it pithier and more entertaining? Is it even a coherent idea?

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Date: 2019-02-18 11:01 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ewt
I like the sign idea!

I am also trying to psych myself up to go, but my worry is less with the crowds and noise and fatigue (though these are all tedious), and more with accidentally getting caught up in something that could later get me deported.

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Date: 2019-02-18 11:34 am (UTC)
tree_and_leaf: (Brexit politics)
From: [personal profile] tree_and_leaf
"I didn't want to leave the house. But I want to leave the EU even less."

(I like the idea a lot, but I think it would be better if pithier, just not sure how.... and my attempt is even longer!)

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Date: 2019-02-18 11:34 am (UTC)
rydra_wong: Grasshopper mouse stands on its hind legs to howl. (turn venom into painkillers)
From: [personal profile] rydra_wong
I like your sign idea! I have appreciated the sign I've seen a few times at protests that reads "I hate crowds, but I hate Trump more" -- it's comforting to know there are other people there for whom it's a struggle.

Have you got potential demo buddies? It's helped me a lot to have people who I know will help me escape and get home safely if it all gets too much.

Also, short route options are fucking fantastic.

with all the usual caveats about how noisy crowds + not being able to easily move away from people smoking &c all sounds utterly miserable and like it will wreck me for days and possibly weeks

FWIW, YMMV: I have been predictably wrecked with overload after every protest I've been on and have to plan around that. And obviously people may or may not be able to sacrifice a week to being wiped out and crashing mentally.

However, I have also generally found them cheering and positive experiences (to a degree which has surprised me).

Relevant point: if the last one is anything to go by, there will not be a shortage of people on this one (which also means it could be very busy). There are a lot of us to carry the load. It's not going to succeed or fail based on whether one person does or doesn't go, there are a lot of other ways to have an impact, etc. etc..

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Date: 2019-02-18 11:45 am (UTC)
el_staplador: (Default)
From: [personal profile] el_staplador
Yeah, all of this. I've done a fair few marches in my time because of the day job, and have come to the conclusion that:

1. they can be tiring and overwhelming
2. they can also be invigorating and help one reconnect to a movement or community
3. they may or may not be very effective in their stated cause, depending of course what that cause is
4. point 2. may actually be the greatest good that comes from them, and if this is likely to be outweighed by point 1. then it's perfectly acceptable to stay at home.

tl;dr I've stopped feeling guilty about not going to them if I'm just too knackered/burned out/whatever.

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Date: 2019-02-18 12:06 pm (UTC)
rydra_wong: Lee Miller photo showing two women wearing metal fire masks in England during WWII. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rydra_wong
This is wise!

I think "do you want to go?" is important to consider. Because feeling like you might maybe want to do this but it seems terrifying/risky/might cost too many spoons is a somewhat different position from feeling utter dread but a sense that you're being a Bad Activist if you don't go.

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Date: 2019-02-18 09:04 pm (UTC)
the_swarm: (Default)
From: [personal profile] the_swarm
Seconding this as a helpful way of thinking about it!

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Date: 2019-02-18 05:38 pm (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
(Replied in wrong place)
Edited Date: 2019-02-18 05:42 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2019-02-18 01:47 pm (UTC)
delight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] delight
That is a FANTASTIC sign idea.

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Date: 2019-02-18 02:05 pm (UTC)
recessional: a small grass plant pushes up between cracks of parched ground (Default)
From: [personal profile] recessional
I think if you stick an indicator of illness (like a picture or something) then that's perfect. (Since it's your health that MEANS it's a bad idea).

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Date: 2019-02-18 08:09 pm (UTC)
alexseanchai: Ladybug, of Miraculous fame, with a rainbow Pride background (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
Yes good

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Date: 2019-02-18 02:06 pm (UTC)
forests_of_fire: A picture of a brilliantly colored waterfall cascading into a river (Default)
From: [personal profile] forests_of_fire
I like that sign idea!

You could always do something along the lines of "Leaving the house = bad idea. Leaving the EU = even worse". Not very pithy, but shorter at least.

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Date: 2019-02-18 03:20 pm (UTC)
hollymath: Selfie: white person, three-quarter profile, smiling, brown hair shaved on the side we can see, chin-length on the other (Default)
From: [personal profile] hollymath
That is a great sign idea and it is okay to go or not go. <3

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Date: 2019-02-18 04:42 pm (UTC)
child_of_the_air: Photo of a walkway with a concrete railing, with a small river bordered by leafless trees in the background. (Default)
From: [personal profile] child_of_the_air
I find protests terrifying, so I'm not sure I can help with that, but I do really like the sign idea! *offers hugs and wishes of good luck*

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Date: 2019-02-18 05:20 pm (UTC)
ninetydegrees: Drawing: a girl's face, with a yellow and green stripe over one eye (Default)
From: [personal profile] ninetydegrees
The sign sounds great!

But I wanted to ask: is there any way you can join the protest without it being costly for your mental/physical health? Could you have a protest sign in front of your house? A DIY T-shirt or a pin you could wear while doing your usual business around town? Informative posts/relaying information/news on social platforms?

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Date: 2019-02-18 05:41 pm (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
"I dragged myself out of the house, don't drag me out of the EU."

It's a pity "Brexit, politics for those who think being in a wheelchair is a fate worse than death" is probably too subtle.

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Date: 2019-02-18 06:08 pm (UTC)
silveradept: A kodama with a trombone. The trombone is playing music, even though it is held in a rest position (Default)
From: [personal profile] silveradept
I do like the sign idea. And I think that is up to you about how much you can go and how much recovery it will take afterward.

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Date: 2019-02-18 10:09 pm (UTC)
booksarelife: Tilted photo of Peggy Carter's head, shoulders and torso, where she is wearing a navy dress with two red stripes across the middle (Default)
From: [personal profile] booksarelife
I love the sign idea!! All I'd say, because everyone else seems to have the other important bits covered, but make sure you have food with you/plans for food because it's unlikely to happen during the protest.
Edited Date: 2019-02-18 10:10 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2019-02-18 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] alexwlchan
And water too!

(A couple of people I was with at London Pride last year had remembered food but not brought enough water, and on a hot June day that could have gone badly. I suspect March will be not quite as hot, but still dehydrating if you’re outside for long periods.)

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Date: 2019-02-18 11:47 pm (UTC)
frith_in_thorns: (HG Mockingjay paint)
From: [personal profile] frith_in_thorns
I'm going! So is all my mother's family, including my 94-year-old Danish granny! We shall take turns to push her chair (she can't walk very far) and presumably try and persuade her not to hold her sign right in front of her face as she did for the last march she went on. (She is blind so this is a thing. Last time lots of people asked for her photo and she was very happy, but really didn't believe they wanted to also see *her* not just the sign!)

(She was in the Independent! I'm the one in the green jumper next to her.)

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Date: 2019-02-19 12:24 am (UTC)
karen2205: Me with proper sized mug of coffee (Default)
From: [personal profile] karen2205
I can't think of many places I'd like to be less than the middle of a protest; it sounds terrifying to me - far too many people, being randomly noisy, with the potential for being caught up in a police kettle.

If you *want* to go, then fair enough, but I'm going to find something else to do campaign wise against Brexit that's more me-shaped.

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Date: 2019-02-19 05:25 am (UTC)
swingandswirl: text 'tammy' in white on a blue background.  (Default)
From: [personal profile] swingandswirl
Seconding everyone who says that not going to the protest does not make you a bad person. Especially if it will take such a massive toll on your mental health. Maybe you could help make signs for other people to carry? Make homemade snacks for your team and/or to pass out?

And I love the sign! I would just change it to what someone suggested below, i.e. "Leaving house = bad idea. Leaving EU = EVEN WORSE."

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Date: 2019-02-20 02:07 pm (UTC)
vass: a man in a bat suit says "I am a model of mental health!" (Bats)
From: [personal profile] vass
I think it's pithy as it is. If you want fewer letters, "Leaving the house is bad. Leaving the EU is worse."

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Date: 2019-02-21 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] stephdairy
The earlier one was my first ever protest march thingum. I was towards the back with a few friends. It wasn't noisy or particularly crowded -- you wouldn't have guessed being in it that there was 3/4 million folk -- and was mostly just a lot of standing around and walking a bit while admiring other folks' witty placards.

Crucially it would have been easy at any point to get off the route and go if you needed to do that.

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