Luv u

Apr. 29th, 2017 06:43 am
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Posted by Victor Mair

My wife had an aversion to the first person pronoun.  She would do practically anything to avoid saying "I".  She thought it was egotistical to make frequent, direct reference to herself, whether in speech or in writing.  Among traditional Chinese, she probably was not entirely unique in that regard, but she was extreme in her first person avoidance, and it was through her that I became aware of the lengths to which someone might go keep from saying "I".

I do not fully comprehend the psychological reasons why some people shy away from use of the first person pronoun, but my sense is that it has to do with not wanting to be assertive.

Omission of the first person pronoun was almost like a religion for Li-ching, but zero anaphora extended beyond the first person to all the other pronouns, though not as prohibitively.  Sinitic languages, by nature, are pro-drop; it's not unusual to see twenty or more sentences in a row without a pronoun.


Keith Vander Linden, Zhihua Long, and Liang Tao, "Chinese Zero Anaphora in Translation: A Preliminary System" in Victor H. Mair and Yongquan Liu, eds., Characters and Computers ( Amsterdam, Oxford, Washington, Tokyo:  IOS Press, 1991).

It was particularly difficult, virtually impossible, for Li-ching to say "I love you" to anyone, not even her mother or me, for both of whom she had deep affection.


"On the overt verbal expression of romantic love as a modern habit" (2/14/17)

With Li-ching's "I" avoidance and "I love you" avoidance as a background, I was intrigued when recently (within the last few years) I have been hearing more and more people, especially young people, toss off the expression "luv u" in their conversations with others.  I think I hear it most often near the conclusion of telephone conversations.  It seems to function as a signal that the speaker wants to stop talking.  My impression is that, after "luv u", it's not even necessary to say "goodbye".

When I first heard this casual "luv u", I thought that perhaps it might be the quirk of a few individuals.  It was not long, however, before I became aware of just how pervasive this usage is in the current vocabulary of the younger generation.

In truth, I don't know precisely what "luv u" means or is meant to mean.  Well, maybe it's just "I love you" lite.  It's similar to "miss u", which also peppers the speech of people I overhear talking on their cell phones.  Is this some kind of "I" avoidance as with Li-ching?  Or is it simple elision to save a syllable?

For a cross-cultural, cross-linguistic study relevant to "I love you" and "luv u", I recommend:

Rémi CAMUS, "‘Je t’aime’ revisité / ‘Je t’aime’ Revisited", Inter Faculty Institute for Comparative Research in Human and Social Sciences, University of Tsukuba 6 (2015).

The footnotes about Chinese and Japanese may be of particular interest to some LLog readers:

English Abstract:

The French phrase Je t’aime is frequently to be found written on everyday items or used as a leitmotiv in commercial music. It is believed to be more or less translatable in all languages irrespective of context. This paper attempts to deal with the linguistic implications of these and other distinctive features that make Je t’aime such an unusual linguistic object. The first part is devoted to an attempt at translating Je t’aime in Japanese and Hungarian. It comes out that there exist at least three classes of interpretation, three ways of producing equivalent utterances based on a translation of the verb aimer. The second part focuses on the French phrase per se; it examines some famous accounts of Je t’aime by Paul Valéry, Roland Barthes and Jean-Luc Marion and tries to grasp and emphasize their linguistic meaning. The results of the morphology and syntax-driven analysis in Part 1 prove also relevant without modification of the surface formal structure. As a conclusion, we propose three interpretative patterns with their own grammatical features and even pragmatic outcomes; the pseudo-universal motto of French amour is but one of them.

Luv ya!


Apr. 29th, 2017 01:50 am
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I tried a couple of shows out and rejected them:

Hap and Leonard (on Netflix)
I wanted to like this because the guy who plays Omar on the Wire (Michael K. Williams) plays a gay Vietnam vet. But after a couple of episodes, I didn't like any of the characters. Williams' character, Leonard, was OK, but everyone else was mean and horrible.

Limitless (on Netflix)

A movie spin-off. Brian thinks of himself as a loser and a disappointment to his dad, even though his dad is supportive. He takes a drug called NZT, which temporarily turns him into a super-genious. I enjoyed the pilot because he used his genious for a bunch of things, like diagnosing his father's illness, solving a murder, playing music really well in a park, and talking to people about their problems (social intelligence!). But in the 2nd episode, it's clear that this is just another procedural about a white guy who is a rule-breaking genious for the FBI. He gets away with his rule-breaking because he produces results (and also b/c privilege). The science in the 2nd episode was also pretty bad: an engineered flu strain that was supposedly used for assasinations. Riiiiight. I stopped watching.

I settled on an addictive, violent, perhaps overly dramatic, gripping show on Hulu: BLACK SAILS. This has lots of queerness and is very pretty.

No almonds

Apr. 29th, 2017 01:45 am
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...Despite almond craving at one in the morning, kid did not have us run over to the nearest down (20 minutes away) that would have a 24-hour store actually open.

Kid was very frazzled today, as I dragged þem to the library (some work was accomplished, and Tolkein should have had Beorn edited out, apparently; I know the animated version doesn't have him), then we went over to the mall (30 minutes away), ate at the Olive Garden -- WHEREIN I RANTED ON TWITTER ABOUT THE SENSORY-ISSUES HELL THEY ARE DOING WITH THEIR RENOVATIONS, MY GODS, WHO THINKS OPEN FLOORPLAN IS A GOOD IDEA FOR A RESTAURANT? IF I WANTED TO EAT IN A CAFETERIA I WOULD NOT BE IN AN OLIVE GARDEN!!! -- and then went to Sears to get a new jacket because þeir original black one has gone AWOL.

Sears in our mall is kind of closing down. There was no one there, the AC was off (*swelter*), and just about every rack was on sale. Kid got a price-tag $99.99 Star Wars necklace for $14.99. Bwah.

I got some bras. We found a shirt and some socks for kid.

Then we got kid home and þey kind of wound up having a breakdown and now it is nearly 2 in the morning and kid is hungry and manic.

Havva Quote
And balsamic vinaigrette probably isn't close enough to soy sauce...
--kid's dad, looking for a dipping thing for the toasted tofu leftovers we are toasting in the toaster oven

INwatch+Bookwatch )

Dragons under fold )
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Since we knew going in that the spring stint at Casual Job would almost definitely be really short this year*, I made no effort to psych myself up for the weirdness of the hours and how thoroughly it destroys every trace of routine, even when the hours aren't all that long. (I was at the office for 12.5 hours on Wednesday, which isn't an awful day by Casual Job standards, and the other days were all much more reasonable.)

An unforeseen (but unsurprising) side effect of not doing a bunch of preparation to settle in for a long haul is that I wasn't really able to get hold of my usual "we're all gonna grit our teeth and DO THIS THING" mindset. So even though it's only been four days in the office, and not even painfully long ones, at that (at least not for the people at my level), I am fried. Which is awkward, since I still have significantly over half a manga volume to rewrite by Monday. Whee?

(I've also had a bit of a scratchy throat since this afternoon, so it's possible some of the tiredness is because I'm fighting something off, but I sure hope not.)

All that said, the only definite thing I have planned for the weekend besides finishing that script is going into the backyard with [ profile] scruloose tomorrow to talk to our next door neighbor, the condo board president, and the board member who deals with landscaping sorts of things about whether or not we can put in a second lilac shrub (this kind, as previously mentioned). [ profile] scruloose talked to the neighbor a couple of days ago and got a very positive response (and also mentioned that the board is hoping to find a new home for the bush we're having [re]moved, and Neighbor expressed interest in that!), so to be honest I'm not sure why we actually need to get together to discuss it before they decide, but I also don't mind discussing it, so... *shrugs*

Cross your fingers for us!

*It's still not official that Casual Job is basically done for the spring already (other than a day or two of polishing off some backlogged transcription next week, and you bet I'll work every hour they can offer me, what with the "one week of work instead of the usual two or three MONTHS" thing), but it's as good as. Official word will probably arrive this weekend.
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The investigation I'm engaged in may have less to do with automated theorem proving than I first thought, although that is the context in which it arose for me. The deeper questions may be what expressive power and what inferential power are added to a first-order language with equality by adding definite description terms as singular terms in the formal language.

Your gigantic crocodile!

Apr. 29th, 2017 02:40 am
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Posted by Mark Liberman

One more piece of Google Translate poetry, contributed by Mackenzie Morris:

I've been collecting screenshots of the best of these, because I'm assuming that soon, someone at Google will notice the hilarity and take the trivial steps required to stop it.

It's easy to distinguish keyboard banging or nonsensical repetitions from sincere input — unless it's now a matter of religious faith at Deep Mind that with proper training, Tensorflow speaking ex reticulo is infallible…

new raised bed

Apr. 28th, 2017 07:33 pm
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Here is the start of my gardening blog. Let me know if the thumbnail previews are fine, or if you would prefer all pictures behind a cut.

So this spring I put in a new raised bed, which Neal built for me out of 2x4s. It's in the front yard, which has more sun and less exposure to dogs, but the dog deficiency means the feral cats my next-door neighbor feeds think it belongs to them.

I didn't dig up the grass, just put down a thick layer of cardboard,

set the box on top,

soaked the cardboard, to provide all the elements necessary to decomposition,

and filled it with compost.

The white tubes are the bases of a hoop cover. I have some smaller-diameter flexible pipe, bent into half-circles, whose ends go into the white pipes. Then I can put a big piece of UV-resistant polyethelene over the top, and have a mini-greenhouse.

Next step is to mulch. Usually, when you are choosing a mulch, the first consideration is "What do I have lots of?" and then you evaluate how well those things work as mulch:
- Does it shade the soil to suppress germination of weed seeds?
- Does it keep the soil cooler?
- Does it let water get to the soil?
- Does it slow down evaporation?
- How fast does it break down, and what does it add to the soil?
- Will it stay where I put it?
And so on. But for me, the second consideration is, "Will this make my lovely loose soil more or less attractive to the feral cats as a litter box?" So the first mulch I use is a few layers of brown paper that came as packaging material.

Here it is in the rain:

Right now it is covered with snow, but I don't have a picture of that.

More about mulching and planting next time.

Everyday stuff

Apr. 28th, 2017 09:11 pm
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 I ordered Sparkly's birthday present today! And some other stuff we'll need eventually, to bring the total up to a free-shipping-inducing number. Ey is going to be so surprised. I'm already feeling smug. 

April has been a good month money-wise so I also got myself some things I've been meaning to get for a while: a phone case (I eventually went with boring shiny black) and some fidgets from this shop oh gosh I'm so excited. If any of you saw me complaining on Tumblr in January that I gave my brother a very straightforward wish list and he didn't get me any of the things on it? These were the #1 thing on the list. A very belated Merry Christmas to me. 
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I have had a wonderful day.

Not very much happened in it. I woke up late. It was beautifully sunny outside and it smelled like late spring, not premature August. I called [personal profile] rushthatspeaks to find out if they wanted to take the baby for a walk and found that they had already had the inspiration; I changed my keys and wallet out of my coat pockets into the one purse I own (I am pretty sure I have had it since high school: it started out moss-green and has bleached and abraded to army green over the years; the string has been broken since something like 2015, but I temporarily repaired it using the twist-tie off a bag of bread, which made me feel like a successful tool-using creature) and got dressed in the lightest shirt I've had occassion to wear all year and stepped out in the beautiful sunlight and met Rush and Fox at the corner of Highland and Crocker. The trees are flowering and uncurling green. Davis Square was full of people who had all clearly had the same idea to emerge blinking from their winter caves and soak up as much sun as possible before the weather did something irresponsible like flash-forward through summer or start snowing again. I had a frustrating interaction regarding my health insurance at the pharmacy, but it does not seem to have left the dominant note on the afternoon; Dave's Fresh Pasta had restocked its supply of switchel since last night. We took the bus back from Davis, in the course of which Fox charmed the woman sitting to my left and later engaged in extensive dialogue with the four- or five-year-old who took her place (along with her mother and a vaguely Fox-aged sibling in a stroller) despite the fact that she spoke both English and Spanish and Fox mostly speaks glossolalia and drool. They held on to the pole like a regular commuter, but we had to dissuade them from starting to chew on it. Rush handed me the first volume of Kore Yamazuki's The Ancient Magus' Bride (2013–) when we got back to their house and I had finished it by the time we got back from picking up [personal profile] gaudior after work; I have made a huge tactical error in not borrowing the second volume while I had the chance, because it has great Faerie, great stealth weird, and reminds me for some reason of Diana Wynne Jones. I was going to nap as soon as I got home because I was yawning all the way in the car, but then Autolycus presented me with such a fluffy belly and such an appealing look that I have in fact just been petting the cat for about an hour now while he purrs and grooms my arm, which is very relaxing for both of us. A mysterious benefactor off the internet sent me a copy of Andrew Moor's Powell and Pressburger: A Cinema of Magic Spaces (2012), which looks wonderful; the author has already observed something about A Canterbury Tale (1944) that I've noticed a lot of reviewers miss, so I feel I can trust him to have seen more or less the same movies I have. [personal profile] spatch just let me know that the lobby-level bathroom of the Somerville Theatre is now gender-neutral. I am tired and should probably take it easy tomorrow, since Rush and I are planning a day trip to New York on Sunday and I don't want to burn out, but I think I am definitely on the mend. There was a gorgeous smoky slate-and-peach sunset over the commuter rail tracks as I walked home, cut across with one white-reflecting line of jet contrail.

I like days like this.
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The 5k obstacle course I signed up for is tomorrow.

So of course today I get sick.

I feel bad because I've already paid and I was planning to do it with my friend. But my body has very definitely done that "you've done Too Many Things so I'm going to make you sick enough that you stop!" thing that I recognize so well.

And I have done too much this week. But it's been worth it to keep Lib Dem stuff going, and it's been interesting. But man, even with 24 hours "off" between Wednesday afternoon and Thursday afternoon, it's taken a huge toll on me.

Not just in hours spent but being responsible and having to make decisions all the time is grinding me down. This is so the opposite of what I signed up

But things change, and things need doing, and done is better than perfect.

a fly-by YOI rec post

Apr. 28th, 2017 06:57 pm
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Partly for [personal profile] qian, partly for my own reference, haha- I've spent way too much time inhaling a) the series & b) the fic for my own good. ^^; Also, I'm sure you've seen a lot of these before because I'm probably the last person I know to have fallen into this fandom? Anyway, some of the rabbit hole I went down, in no particular order & with various ratings:

Requisite Victuuri:
- Stargazer (YOI IN SPACE)
- Impostor Syndrome
- No Less Unthinkable (not just Victuuri, but I found it a super amusing way to get there)
- Rain Down on Me
- pick lilacs for the passing time (ballet AU!!)
- Three Sheets to the Wind
- you're like heaven to touch
- Fall Behind
- Calligraphia
- Rain Down on Me (series)
- i will see your body bare (and still i will live here)
- never stop until the grave
- icebreaker

Also Otayuri, because I have SUCH A FONDNESS for angry kitten Yurio & super-calm Otabek, haha:
- Gravity (same series as Stargazer, aka MORE YOI IN SPACE!!)
- the naming of cats
- All Things in Their Time
- Two Make a Pair
- My soul is an empty carousel at sunset.
- But I'm Not There Yet, & sequel I've got a list of songs I can't listen to
- Hey, Jealousy
- who can sing both high & low (same series as i will see your body bare)
- in flesh and bone

Currently reading: 2017

Apr. 28th, 2017 11:44 pm
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And the Clarke shortlist is announced on 3rd May. Excitement!

Nick Wood - Azanian Bridges

Apr. 28th, 2017 11:43 pm
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Nick Wood - Azanian Bridges
(BSFA shortlist)

Tricia Sullivan - Occupy Me

Apr. 28th, 2017 11:42 pm
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Tricia Sullivan - Occupy Me
(BSFA shortlist)

Nisi Shawl - Everfair

Apr. 28th, 2017 11:40 pm
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Nisi Shawl - Everfair
(Nebula shortlist)

Content Warning for slavery and (off-screen) mutilation in the Belgian Congo.

Ada Palmer - Too Like the Lightning

Apr. 28th, 2017 11:39 pm
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Ada Palmer - Too Like the Lightning
(Hugo shortlist)

Cixin Liu - Death’s End

Apr. 28th, 2017 11:37 pm
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Cixin Liu - Death’s End
(Hugo shortlist)


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